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Wiggens
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posted 08-16-2006 08:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wiggens   Click Here to Email Wiggens     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am eventually planning to make my own swords and knives and I am finding quite a bit of conflicting information about what kind of steel to use for my blades. Is there a generally agreed upon steel for swords and one for knives? I have heard that swords and knives require or need to be different steels because of the length and uses of the different tools. Can anyone suggest a steel or steels that I might start with?

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MEversbergII
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posted 08-16-2006 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MEversbergII   Click Here to Email MEversbergII     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do know that most combat knives are made from A2 steel.

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FullerH
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posted 08-16-2006 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FullerH   Click Here to Email FullerH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1095 carbon steel seems to be pretty popular for both knives and swords. Do avoid stainless steel unless you are really good at heat treating and quenching.

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jlhman21
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posted 08-25-2006 12:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jlhman21   Click Here to Email jlhman21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is actually a quite complex question...However, to the "layman", we can simplify it immensely:

A sword needs to be a bit more "tough", more "springy", just less brittle simply because of what a sword is expected to hit/be used on is different than say a knife or dagger is. However, this doesn't mean that you need to have a "less hard" steel, simply that you don't need/want it to be as hard. Just play with the tempering and Poof! It's not as hard, and is far more resilient.

A knife or dagger on the other hand, can afford to be harder-the amount of momentum you can build up by swinging a smaller blade is very small compared to a full powered blow of a sword. So one result or consequence is that you can afford it to be slightly harder-it has to resist a smaller amount of shock.

Am I making this clear? I'm trying to convey that what really matters is not so much the steal as the purpose it is intended for, for wether it's a "knife" or "sword" steel. 1095 has many ideal properties-it's relatively "simple" in terms of heat treatment and chemistry, it's easily hardened, etc. Other favorites of many smiths these days for swords is 5160, or O-1, or L6, or... There are many options-what really matters is what you choose.

Fuller is right-do avoid stainless, especiall for a longer project. Chromium seems to (as far as I understand Metallurgy) seriously inhibit shock absorbtion.

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Valygar
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posted 01-27-2010 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valygar   Click Here to Email Valygar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I saw on many films and photos that blades are really flexible and they return to their previous form even after bending to 90 degrees. Is there some special metal used or it's just properly hardened steel?

Looking at your previous posts is it really impossible to harden the stainless steel in the "house environment"? for example if i want to make something like this: http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/image/toledano-steel/medieval-sword-I.jpg
i'd really like to make it from stainless steel because i want to avoid the immediate rusting :/

P.S. sorry for potencial mistakes but im from abroad

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I.C. Koets
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posted 01-27-2010 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I.C. Koets   Click Here to Email I.C. Koets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome, Valygar. This is a very international board, and your English is more than satisfactory.

The metals used in swords are usually 'spring steel', id est steel sorts with high levels of carbon, making them quite elastic and still hard. The heat treatment must be very good to make sure that these attributes come out well.

Hardening stainless steel is possible, but in a house environment it could be tricky. In fact, most stainless steel sorts are not very suited to make a working grade blade. If you keep it more or less clean, rust is mostly not an issue.

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Valygar
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posted 01-28-2010 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valygar   Click Here to Email Valygar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK so the spring steel is fine thx for advice bocause im gonna make a few to sparr with my friend but what about making a fancy sword just to hang it on the wall in my room? I've made a few swords just to begin with something.

First 3 were made of a simple steel i dont know what number it had but these were to learn the basics Then I made 4 of the stainless acidproof steel and had a project of 2h sword 1,6m... even 7mm thick blade is not enough to keep the blade straight holding horizontally in the air and even a slight bend is permament (it looks ugly too)... I need max 5mm blade to make it look smoother.
Now when I read about the stainless steels i know that there are a few types of them and what I need is a ferritic or martensitic steel not the one i had because its probably austenitic one.

Do you think any martensitic or ferritic steel will be good just to make a display sword like Anduril from LotR films? :P
I wont hit anything with it so it should be hard enough not to bend while swinging it.

I know you'll probably laugh at me but the thing is I think i should be able to make one (3 months of vacation are coming) thats why I'm searching for a proper steel and tools I know it'll be a hard work to do but i have a lot of ideas how to make it and after seeing this one: http://www.wetanz.com/anduril-the-master-swordsmith-s-collection/from/brand
I just have to try

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unno
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posted 01-30-2010 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for unno     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hai all.
about the material for the blade, i used a machinesawblade for my early mediaeval
kitchen knife. it is about 2.3mm thick
and works fine for kitchen duty.
but i think you wont beable to fight with it.

here you can take a look at it. http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/015/6/2/medieval_knive_finished_by_timberfox15.jpg

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Valygar
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posted 01-30-2010 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valygar   Click Here to Email Valygar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hmm thats a nice idea but I would have to find 4-5mm thick saw :/

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weaponadmirer
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posted 02-03-2010 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for weaponadmirer   Click Here to Email weaponadmirer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by unno:
hai all.
about the material for the blade, i used a machinesawblade for my early mediaeval
kitchen knife. it is about 2.3mm thick
and works fine for kitchen duty.
but i think you wont beable to fight with it.

here you can take a look at it. http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/015/6/2/medieval_knive_finished_by_timberfox15 .jpg


Very nice! I like it!!

[This message has been edited by I.C. Koets (edited 02-22-2010).]

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