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Wiggens Member |
I am eventually planning to make my own swords and knives and I am finding quite a bit of conflicting information about what kind of steel to use for my blades. Is there a generally agreed upon steel for swords and one for knives? I have heard that swords and knives require or need to be different steels because of the length and uses of the different tools. Can anyone suggest a steel or steels that I might start with? IP: Logged |
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MEversbergII Member |
I do know that most combat knives are made from A2 steel. IP: Logged |
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FullerH Administrator |
1095 carbon steel seems to be pretty popular for both knives and swords. Do avoid stainless steel unless you are really good at heat treating and quenching. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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jlhman21 Member |
This is actually a quite complex question...However, to the "layman", we can simplify it immensely: A sword needs to be a bit more "tough", more "springy", just less brittle simply because of what a sword is expected to hit/be used on is different than say a knife or dagger is. However, this doesn't mean that you need to have a "less hard" steel, simply that you don't need/want it to be as hard. Just play with the tempering and Poof! It's not as hard, and is far more resilient. A knife or dagger on the other hand, can afford to be harder-the amount of momentum you can build up by swinging a smaller blade is very small compared to a full powered blow of a sword. So one result or consequence is that you can afford it to be slightly harder-it has to resist a smaller amount of shock. Am I making this clear? I'm trying to convey that what really matters is not so much the steal as the purpose it is intended for, for wether it's a "knife" or "sword" steel. 1095 has many ideal properties-it's relatively "simple" in terms of heat treatment and chemistry, it's easily hardened, etc. Other favorites of many smiths these days for swords is 5160, or O-1, or L6, or... There are many options-what really matters is what you choose. Fuller is right-do avoid stainless, especiall for a longer project. Chromium seems to (as far as I understand Metallurgy) seriously inhibit shock absorbtion. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Valygar New Member |
I saw on many films and photos that blades are really flexible and they return to their previous form even after bending to 90 degrees. Is there some special metal used or it's just properly hardened steel? Looking at your previous posts is it really impossible to harden the stainless steel in the "house environment"? for example if i want to make something like this: http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/image/toledano-steel/medieval-sword-I.jpg P.S. sorry for potencial mistakes but im from abroad IP: Logged |
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I.C. Koets Administrator |
Welcome, Valygar. This is a very international board, and your English is more than satisfactory. The metals used in swords are usually 'spring steel', id est steel sorts with high levels of carbon, making them quite elastic and still hard. The heat treatment must be very good to make sure that these attributes come out well. Hardening stainless steel is possible, but in a house environment it could be tricky. In fact, most stainless steel sorts are not very suited to make a working grade blade. If you keep it more or less clean, rust is mostly not an issue. IP: Logged |
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Valygar New Member |
OK so the spring steel is fine thx for advice bocause im gonna make a few to sparr with my friend but what about making a fancy sword just to hang it on the wall in my room? I've made a few swords just to begin with something.First 3 were made of a simple steel i dont know what number it had but these were to learn the basics Do you think any martensitic or ferritic steel will be good just to make a display sword like Anduril from LotR films? :P I know you'll probably laugh at me but the thing is I think i should be able to make one (3 months of vacation are coming) thats why I'm searching for a proper steel and tools IP: Logged |
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unno New Member |
hai all. about the material for the blade, i used a machinesawblade for my early mediaeval kitchen knife. it is about 2.3mm thick and works fine for kitchen duty. but i think you wont beable to fight with it. here you can take a look at it. http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/015/6/2/medieval_knive_finished_by_timberfox15.jpg IP: Logged |
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Valygar New Member |
hmm thats a nice idea but I would have to find 4-5mm thick saw :/ IP: Logged |
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weaponadmirer Member |
quote: Very nice! I like it!! [This message has been edited by I.C. Koets (edited 02-22-2010).] IP: Logged |
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