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Gohan_1985 Member	posted 02-19-2002 08:51 PM i know what you mean about the walking through that stuff... you can't cover it up either because then that would be carrying a consealed weapon and it is a lot of trouble if you don't know about the laws. i am looking up the laws in my area and it sucks as far as swords unfortunatly . IP: Logged
qwer9182 Member	posted 02-19-2002 09:49 PM What I don't understand is, what is such a big deal about something like that? I mean, is it illegal to carry knives to an apartment? We've already got all the tools we need to scare or harm people, so why are there specifics? IP: Logged
Marshal Member	posted 02-19-2002 10:05 PM In order to be considered "concealed", it also has to be "readily accessible". Wearing it under a long coat or wrapping it in a blanket would qualify, carrying it in a locked case or a taped box would not. ( Otherwise the UPS guy who delivers it to your house is carrying illegally. ) Private property owners can generally prohibit weapons in their buildings or on their land; some sort of notice to that effect is required, a sign or verbal notification. I do not believe they can do so if they have rented or leased you the premises---and they cannot prohibit you from getting it into and out of those premises, so common areas shouldn't be a problem. But discretion is the better part of valor and life will be much easier if you don't let anyone know you have it---makes thievery less likely, too. Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, check your local stautes, YMMV. IP: Logged
Jasper Member	posted 02-26-2002 08:20 AM Wrong falconer. Your car can be subject to search with out warrent in most school parking lots. Here in Montgomery AL we had a kid expelled who was a B-C student. His crime is his box cutter which he used as stock boy for a local supermarket was still in his car. Of course they slammed him but in the next county over the kid was told to take his hunting rifle home. IP: Logged
Falconer Member	posted 02-26-2002 03:42 PM I said it's un-constitutional, I said school is the only plae they can pull that off. I said the cops can't arrest you for driving down the hi9ghway with a sword. IP: Logged
Gohan_1985 Member	posted 03-03-2002 09:56 AM this is making me mad... it seems that my city i live it has never had the crazy guy with the sword so the swords fall under the gun standard . which is totally unfair, swords are much harder to learn to use in both defence and attack than squeezing a trigger. all i can say is with the way our government is going we may become a communistic society before we know what is happening, with all of the car searchs going on at schools now and everything. [This message has been edited by Gohan_1985 (edited 03-03-2002).] IP: Logged
Arundel Member	posted 03-03-2002 06:03 PM The goverment doesn't care about how easy it is to use a weapon. They just care about how deadly it is and at the distance that most shootings take place a sword is just as deadly as a gun, mabey even more so. ------------------ "Those individuals who are stimulated by fear and/or sheer will and survival determination may not be incapacitated even if mortally wounded." FBI Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness, 1989 IP: Logged
Nikkolai Member	posted 03-05-2002 12:17 AM Some of us over here in Germany use these bags you can get for fishing rods. Swords fit in quite nicely. And even with the strictest "no direct access" laws, a small pad-lock at the zipper should do the trick. The best indicator that you weren't going to attack anyone is the amount of time it's going to take you to open the bag and show the officer what's inside. IP: Logged
Gohan_1985 Member	posted 03-11-2002 03:23 PM unfortunatly that won't work in my city... the police can still check it and since they have guns and all i think i would let them... since it would be concealed i would probably get a huge fine and maybe jail or comunity sevice or something and ... i really don't want to meet the mythical "buh buh" from cell block nine if you catch my drift, anyways thanks for your input but i have already asked... and even if it were locked up with a padlock and i swallowed the key they could still confinscate it and wait for me to um... pass the key and take that too. well anyways thanks again for your input. -Gohan IP: Logged
Nikkolai Member	posted 03-13-2002 08:07 AM No,no,no... the idea of locking it up is not to "hide" it from the officers. The point is that "concealed carry" involves you 1. carrying a weapon hidden 2. you being able to employ this weapon instantly. Thus, carrying a sword in a locked bag, ideally sheathed, is not "carrying concealed" but "transporting". IP: Logged
Gohan_1985 Member	posted 03-13-2002 04:27 PM unfortuatly i don't think that that would work . i can ask about it but the main reason i want to carry one is for protection... my area has been having alot of robberies and beatings going on by multiple attackers and if i had one it might scare off the attackers and if not i might have to accually use it which i don't like to do even when my opponet is fully armored... i have a very powerful swing my friend misjudged my swing and almost lost his arm... his wooden shield got split and the gauntlet was dented lol so now he uses a metal one he made . i don't use sharp blades when fencing/fighting either lol. and why he used a wooden shield is beyond me. oh yeah he just got a bruse but it is now healed up . IP: Logged
Max Member	posted 03-14-2002 03:08 AM For self defense, I'd rather carry a good sturdy cane, preferably one with metal fittings (I just happen to love silver). It can't be legally classified as a weapon, but if you know how to use it it's as good as a sword - and many western and oriental martial arts practised for self defense include the cane in their weapons curriculum. Generally the best tactic is to hit them in the knee, foot, or groin with your cane and RUN... it shouldn't result in any legal problems, either. Using a minimum of force necessary and all that. IP: Logged
Abb314 Member	posted 03-14-2002 03:14 AM One thing I've been pondering is getting a nice two-handed warhammer without a top spike. It'd make a nice cane and be heavy enough to hurt or kill someone (not to mention the spiky bits in case they don't get the hint). ------------------ "A life without honor is no life at all" - Pedro Calderon de la Barca IP: Logged
Arundel Member	posted 03-17-2002 11:55 PM I once had to use a cane for a few months, when I went into the city I took my warhammer with the rubber tip from my usuall cane stuck on the end. I have a leather sheath for the spike so I can carry it in my belt without poking myself. A sheath makes it look more like a cane and less like a weapon but I imagine that even a leather covered spike would be more than enough to subdue most attackers. IP: Logged
Eisigschwert Member	posted 04-02-2002 02:00 PM One of the beautiful things about my neck o' the woods is that open carry is perfectly legal so long as you're not brandishing the weapon, or on property that forbids weaponry (such as government buildings or hoplophobic businesses). I routinely go into the local Denny's with friends after fighter practice, in full garb and sometimes in armor (when I'm too lazy to shuck off my hauberk). At first, the employees were somewhat put off, but now they know us all by name (both game and mundane names), and even know what we order regularly. We're some of their favorite customers, and nobody blinks an eye when we come in with various short blades. We generally leave swords and axes in our vehicles, as sitting in a booth with a longsword is cumbersome at best, but we've even been known to use daggers to cut steak if the restaurant's knives are too dull. ------------------ Johannixx der Eisigschwert IP: Logged
Arundel Member	posted 04-02-2002 02:19 PM Theres a JB's restraunt here that is the same way. IP: Logged
Abb314 Member	posted 04-02-2002 10:09 PM Arundel, what sort of warhammer do you have? I haven't seen very many that would have a long enough handle to use as a cane comfortably. How does it perform as a weapon? ------------------ "A life without honor is no life at all" - Pedro Calderon de la Barca IP: Logged
KatanaSwordmanDavidStokes Member	posted 05-07-2002 09:46 AM so basically driving around with a sword that is in a locked gun case is legal right? ------------------ Gaijin with the Spirit of a Samurai! IP: Logged
Arundel Member	posted 05-07-2002 12:02 PM Not sure what kind exactly, I bought it from an SCA crafsman that specializes in non-sword weaponary. It looks like most other war hammers that I've seen, square head and a slightly curved spike of triangular cross section. I just bought the head so I hafted it myself, I've always felt that war hammers should have a good long handel so a gave it a 36" haft. I havn't fought anybody with it but it handles pretty good in pell work. The spike goes through sheet metal with amazing ease and the hammer can punch through 1/2 plywood. Katana, yeah, if its locked I think that its legal to carry almost any weapon in any state, with the possible exception of California which has bizarre laws anyway. [This message has been edited by Arundel (edited 05-07-2002).] IP: Logged
eddie smith Member	posted 06-13-2002 12:12 AM No national laws as far as I have found, but State laws very greatly. I live in Ga and of the 25+ officers I have asked most didn't have a clue as to the laws. But in Savannah a few months ago in a knife/"sword" shop I met an officer who had an pre-existing interest and told me that 1)new law states under three inches on 'pocket' or folding knives. however if it is not a concealed weapon the blade length is not defined. ie If you cary a sword it is fine if 1)you don't enter 'public places' (malls, banks, schools, etc.) But to show how things differ, Texas law states that if you carry a sharp implement over four inches it is illegal. (If I remember the law right.) IP: Logged
Hoplitia Member	posted 06-21-2002 12:30 PM My friend, in West Virginia, a sword is classed as a primitive weapon and you carry it openly. ------------------ Hoplitia, the Amazon Gladiator IP: Logged
Ian Campbell Member	posted 06-21-2002 10:08 PM What city is he in??? I think I might want to live there IP: Logged
Kevin I Member	posted 07-12-2002 11:37 AM I believe there's an old law on the books here in Seattle that it's legal to carry an weapon in public when protecting or defending "the honor of a lady". Heh. My fiance wanted to know if that meant women can carry swords anytime they want to, and men have to be escorted. I've had police surround me with assault rifles one while pracicing a stage combat routine in a public area (we'd practiced there before). Once they figured out what was going on they seemed amused. IP: Logged
Seigneur de Leon Member	posted 08-12-2002 09:38 PM I've asked several cops from different states when doing Renn. Faires, and they had no clue whether it was legal or not. They all said basically the same thing: dressed like that, we'd figure you a costumed performer, but with a sword strapped on your back wearing a black motorcycle jacket and torn jeans, you can bet we'd stop and see what you were up to. IP: Logged
Dan Langevin New Member	posted 08-19-2002 07:51 PM Gohan, If you genuinely need to carry something for self-defense I would first look into your state's concealled carry laws to see if you qualify for a permit. The minimum age would be 21. If the "1985" in your screen name is your year of birth, my math puts you at 17 years old. I would doubt that you can lawfully possess any form of weapon until you are 18 years old. Unless you can get a concealled carry permit, obtain training in your state's use of force continuum and training in the weapons use, I would recommend you carry a NON-LETHAL weapon such as pepper spray. ------------------ Dan Langevin IP: Logged

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