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Topic:	dagger grips in Ringeck and Fiore

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Your Reply: HTML is OFF UBB Code is ON Smilies Legend	[QUOTE]Originally posted by willaume: [B] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Slasher: [b]A very good explanation about the reverse grip, and why current experts have found it should not be used, can be found [URL=http://www.supervirtual.com.br/acervo/Truth%20About%20Reverse%20Grip.htm]here.[/URL] This discussion is a very good example of what goes wrong if you use primary sources when youre unqualified. [/b][/QUOTE] hello slasher well yes what they say there is que right as far as way of using a modern knife. which i think nobody here denigrated but i am not sure that i can be applied in extenso to medieval dagger. Actually what they say about double egde, and their cut without being cutted stands what ever the period. however you can not compare a bowie with a SAS dagger or with a tanto or with a medival roundel dagger. they are not the same tool. Wrist/elbow orignated slash or cut works extremly well against most of modern garment. So you can have very light (ie nimble) very sharp blade. hence you can as the author of the article say stay in a safe distance and avoid the "toe to toe" as much as possible. Try those cut againt a modern motorcycle learther garment or against a properly made doublet (let alone an arming one, and iam not even mentioning a jack..) and you will see that this type of cut is not very effective unless you have an heavy blade (bu then it is hardly a slash any more. If you have the occasion dress a bag with a military jacket and coat and you'll see that doing significant damage with slashing to the bag is quite hard. hence a good cutter or good piercer are more adapted. and then the staying at a safe distance is more problematic. You can still target the hand will you say. that become more problematic with the roundel guard and or gloves. basically what you can do with a 15-20" bladed roundel dagger has nothing in common with what you can do with a 10" SAS dagger or even 14-15" bowie let alone a 6-10" tanto or other modern knives. Does that make kind of senses[/B][/QUOTE]
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